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Manny G.
20:12:23

How about ethos and voyager figure out the shit we are all not clear about after that AMA and then Worry where those huge clients will put their money in ? We sit here making assumption and shooting for the stars when Ethos team still to this day doesn’t have a clear answer about its on token and what we will be using it for. Come on. Let take this day by day cuz anything else will either loss people off or make some jump on this train only to realize they didn’t have enough info to start with and then rush to jump off

tom bo
20:14:55

To me thats the most concerning issue - to know that theoretically you don't even need to have an Ethos token at all to run the project.

Manny G.
20:19:59

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to that because if that’s the case then some refunds would be due for selling us something that is useless. But that’s an extreme scenario. There’s just no point looking at big mo way and 3-5 years ahead when there’s stuff that should have been clear since day one and it’s still not ... such as token utilization. This is the shit that makes people get turned off and companies ruined their rep. Everything needs to be transparent with clear answers , solutions , timelines and so forth . Not ifs and buts and not stuff like “ if we do this and if we do that we could use it for this and that “ ... yeah if I had a cape and could fly I’d prob apply to be a superhero too. But what about now and what the reality is at the moment ? All those doubts need to be wiped off, and the only one that can do it is the team by making the right moves and and take actions to answer those questions. Cuz in the end we sit here invest and sweat over things while some may blame us for fud

tom bo
20:21:42

💯👍

Rudolphus
20:22:36

When I would recover of my loss in ethos token I buy btc for it and are done with the whole altcoin company promises

Adnan Fomo
20:23:1

What’s the difference between the Voyager app and Ethos (Universal wallet) app?

Adnan Fomo
20:23:38

Can I buy, sell and send to exchanges on both?

Colin Judge
20:27:58

To my knowledge, you can’t withdraw crypto from the Voyager app at present. That’s part of the reason for Ethos integration :)

Colin Judge
20:29:51

Also, on the Voyager app trades have no fees. At the moment, Ethos uses simplex and Shapeshift for buying and trading, both of which charge fees. Yet again, this will be improved with integration between the two apps

Adnan Fomo
20:32:22

So Voyager app is like RobinHood..no fees and private keys are yours. Ethos is like Coinbase but smaller in a way

Howdy Party
20:48:35

If anyone wants to listen to what Steven Ehrlich did talk about at Consensus.Go to:
Markets
and then:
Tools of the Trade - Building New Exchange Infrastructurehttps://www.coindesk.com/events/consensus-2019/videos

Colin Judge
20:51:52

I wouldn’t really say that... Ethos is a fantastic Wallet first and foremost. Great place to store your crypto assets. There are options for buying and swapping crypto built in, if that suits you. Voyager is a broker, allowing for best execution across multiple exchanges (such as Coinbase), saving you the impossible task of searching and moving assets between multiple exchanges instantly in order to get the best deal.

Christoph
20:53:34

First of all, please watch your language, thanks.

Colin Judge
20:54:26

Also, Ethos app is currently available worldwide (although some regions don’t have buying or swapping options available, due to regulatory issues. Voyager’s app is only currently available in select US states (also due to pending regulatory approval), but will be rolling out in more regions this year

Christoph
20:59:20

First of all, please watch your language, thanks. Just because YOU haven't yet been told what the utility is, doesn't mean that the TEAM doesn't have an idea. The merger with Voyager meant some substantial infrastructural changes for Ethos as well, resulting in reassessing all the parts. Which is a really good thing because it means that they are very diligent about all the details. Due to the diligence - and due to a decision making process that involves many parties and steps that have to be heard and taken - it takes time to fit all the pieces together. Since there a regulated company and accountably for everything they say in public, the can only announce XYZ when they have it all figured out and set in stone and contracts.

Kevin Turvey
21:0:11

Tough to argue with this. ICO buyers bought a Utility token on the strength of the utility promised in the whitepaper, if this utiltiy has changed then I think a new whitepaper to clearly outline the new utiltiy is due. If it hasn't changed then there should be some official assurances given from Voyager

Amateo Ra
21:8:44

Hey Ethos Community,I want to clarify something here about the Ethos Token & Utility. In the coming 2-months we are going to be releasing a significant amount of information on Ethos Token Utility, above and beyond what’s been currently been announced, i.e. Cashback, Status etc.
We had some really exciting strategies and progress on development for the Ethos Token in our ecosystem pre-Voyager. Once we finalized our merger with Voyager, it then became necessary that token utility not just span the Ethos Universal Wallet and Ethos Bedrock, but the entirety of the Ethos and Voyager Ecosystem for both retail and institutional clients at scale. This pivot was necessary so we could deliver a much more robust and far-reaching token utility solution.

The Ethos Token will be a central utility token and tool inside the Voyager app itself, as well as unlock and power features. This is what we’ve been working on and why we haven’t released more info, yet! I know this is a bit vague, clarity is coming which will also be a part of a dedicated marketing effort. As a teaser, refer to this comment by Steve Ehrlich, Voyager CEO, in yesterday’s AMA….

“Q: What can we expect about token utility beside cashback? Will there be utility for all holders (non-traders)?
A: We are looking at a lot of different items for token utility and we can say for certain that it won't be limited to just cashback. A trading app combined with a self-custody experience has never been done before and there are tremendous opportunities for token utility within that. Gas fees, Margin trading, lending, P2P transactions - there is so much that we can open up with the combination and we are excited about a future that combines the best of Ethos and Voyager."

Our token holders are an absolute top priority for us, and we’re committed to getting it right. If you look at how fast both Ethos and Voyager have been in our development efforts and shipping product, token utility will also mirror our aggressive approach to development and growth. Our team, with instrumental parties on both Voyager & Ethos, have been working very steadfastly to plan, strategize, test and do due diligence on our Ethos Token Utility solutions.

We greatly appreciate your patience. Stay tuned and engaged here and on social for the token utility updates coming in June & July.

Howdy Party
21:11:39

Ethos forever !

If U all still are worried after reading this message, I really don't know what would convince You people.

Kevin Turvey
21:13:47

So from this "it then became necessary that token utility not just span the Ethos Universal Wallet and Ethos Bedrock" .... can we assume that Ethos token is still required for those who want to utilise Bedrock ?.... it's just that question seemed avoided a bit yesterday

So from this "it then became necessary that token utility not just span the Ethos Universal Wallet and Ethos Bedroc...
Howdy Party
21:14:6

i am just a little fired up..

Have you read a message above utility ?

Kevin Turvey
21:17:2

Yes, that is what I am addressing, Amateo's message says that Ethos token WILL still be needed to power Bedrock, in the AMA that was not answered, as such that is very good news if confirmed.

This message is exactly what the community needed. Thanks@AmateoRa!! :)

Manny G.
21:21:41

First of all don’t tell me To watch my mouth as if I’m ur wife. I didn’t curse. Second if u are a team member and have done a great job then I wonder why there’s so much confusion from utility token to who owns the company now and so on. So easy with the language on ur end and focus on cleaning up after urself

Yes its great news. If I had more money I would be every fucking dip now, because when ethos will be tradable and cashback in the works price will explode. We need only 800 whales having 100k tokens to fill circulating supply. Imagine How the price will react when those people will be buying the tokens to reach the biggest cashback

Chill man, Do You really have concerns if the token will be needed ? Really ????

Manny G.
21:25:42

No i don’t . I was asking because I read other post that question ! All I said is that those questions need to be addressed so people stop wondering about important stuff and they don’t end up dumping over nothing

Kevin Turvey
21:25:47

Personally, I wouldn't buy anymore until the full utility of the token is spelled out clearly in writing for all to see, it has changed dramatically since inception and could easily do so again at this stage. I have a lot of faith in Ethos and have done from the start, but until a couple of months ago I hadn't heard of Voyager and so would struggle to put more in on what is essentially blind faith at present.

👏💪

Christoph
21:28:49

I kindly asked you to watch your language and you reply in a childish and chauvinistic way like this? I can't believe you just wrote this. Of course I can ask you to watch your language as those are our chat rules. To be precise, please don't use s* in the future, thank you. Next time it's 48 h mute time out. Also, I'm not a team member, I'm part of our group of voluntary admins. If you read the statement Amateo just posted, you will see that it actually the same statement as mine with a little more detail and outlook on it.

Joao Gomes
21:29:31

Hey guys, new to this channel. Any of you use the ethos app to store tokens ?

Manny G.
21:29:53

Telling me to watch my mouth is not kind . Not in this country . If I say that to a cop , my parents .. anyone, they will take offense . So unless I have offended or cursed I’d rather not be told to watch my Mouth as if I’m some child . Thanks and let’s over on

Christoph
21:31:30

Yes, there's a lot more than 100k users who downloaded the app and are using it for that purpose

Kevin Turvey
21:32:24

I think concerns over token usage are very jusitifed at the moment, but at least Amateo some kind of timescale that in 2 months we will have the answers we need ......... On a side note the admins here do an amazing job holding the community together in these difficult times, I thank them for that and any criticism from me certainly isn't directed at them as they all do a top job!

Joao Gomes
21:32:48

Ok good to know! Im just nervous about storing the tokens there since I never used it ! Thanks for the reply

Kevin Turvey
21:33:53

The wallet is as secure as they come, just make sure you look after your seed words!

Christoph
21:35:52

Yes, in the US the s*-word is one of seven words that are seen as curse words not suitable for public use. If you use them there, you are looked upon as peasant. That is why these words are not allowed in our chats, as we want to keep a friendly and respectable atmosphere. I love to explore cultural differences, so may I ask where you are from? I'm from Germany, but have spent three years in the US.

Amateo Ra
21:40:11

Yea, crypto is always a hot subject matter with lots of emotions and we do our best to field everyone's voice and concerns and keep this townhall style with having minimal-necessary rules and policies. For now, I'd like to keep the convo while I'm here centered my the message I just dropped on token utility.

Amateo Ra
21:40:26

I'll be around in Telegram for an hour or so before I have to jump 🙂

Cameron 🇬🇧
21:43:51

I have a Q@AmateoRais it likely that all partnerships will be added to each of voyager/ethos/ledgers websites?

Vikram Singh
21:44:31

Thanks... actually nothing was happening in token price that is why I am a concerned... and somehow frustrated that many coins without any product or utility are doing very well and ethos lost a lot in past 1 month.

Amateo Ra
21:44:58

Keep Token Price discussion in the Price Discussion chat, please.

Amateo Ra
21:45:32

Not sure about Leger or if that's a protocol of practice for them, we'll be having more info listed and being shared about our ecosystem.

Cameron 🇬🇧
21:52:36

Super thanks !

Produkt-meiner-umgebung Btc
21:53:13

When we reopen The german Chat 🥺

Manny G.
21:56:34

I’m From Greece and I have spent 15 years in US and s* here is used very casually when u refers to anything from good tho ha to bad things. If that word was taken as an insult I can readjust next time

Cameron 🇬🇧
21:57:49

Let’s move from this now.

Manny G.
21:58:45

👍🏾

Kevin Turvey
21:59:50

Just looking back to the bitquence whitepaperhttps://cryptorating.eu/whitepapers/Bitquence/BitquenceWhitePaper.pdfAnd the three main uses for the token were1. Be the payment mechanism for using the Bitquence platform
2. Pay for Bitquence cold storage services
3. Enable liquidity to help with changes in user asset allocations
As things have changed so much I suppose the questions are:
1. Will Ethos be the payment mechanism for using the Voyager Platform?
2. Can Ethos be used to pay for Ledger Vault cold storage?
3. Will Ethos be the major trading pair on Voyager as the liquidity network is described in the whitepaper?
Plans change as projects develop and that is fine, but I think once the utility has been decided in the next 2 months then a new whitepaper specifically for the token would go along we to getting everyone behind the project again.

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:8:13

A helpful answer to point 3. :)

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:8:13

love the question - Voyager is working on a super advanced router that will be launched by early summer. Once this router is done we will be able to add Ethos and other coins to the platform. We are huge believers in the coin and the community and value and want to make it easier for customers to acquire the coin. At this point we havent decided on the pair although to a USD stablecoin is likely.

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:8:43

A helpful answer to point 3 ^

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:8:59

Question 1 = yes.

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:10:27

Question 2 = more details to come on that one ! :)

Colin Judge
22:10:47

I appreciate how in recent weeks a much greater emphasis seems to be getting placed on open communication with the community. It’s been a tumultuous period, from the bear market, the delays faced by the Ethos team last year (which led to a move away from deadlines and roadmaps), to the sudden merger with (purchase by?) Voyager. Many of us have been patiently confused as to what the future of Ethos is, and particularly what the precise utility of the utility token will be, as well as when it will be ready. Personally, I’m feeling more and more confident in this project, thanks in no small part to this recent uptick in communication. I can only imagine how much is happening behind the scenes, especially now with Voyager too. I’m looking forward to the rest of what this year brings :)

Amateo Ra
22:11:14

/tip10 ETHOS

Amateo Ra
22:11:42

Thanks so much for that feedback, we are going to keep the communication coming and as soon as things are ready to hit the community and are hot out of the oven you'll hear it here first.

Kevin Turvey
22:12:38

Thanks .... potentially I have no doubts that Voyager/Ethos Token could have one of the widest use cases out there ... which is why I think seeing it written down in an updated whitepaper would silence all the doubters once and for all (me included).

Colin Judge
22:12:49

Can’t wait! 👍

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:13:30

Awesome. Of course during the period of let’s say “quietness” it’s difficult to share information when there isn’t any to share and as we know big moves and changes and things require time and misinforming the community or sharing pointless/ random information is more detrimental that just remaining patient and professional. The patience of the community is always helpful :)

Amateo Ra
22:15:14

The truth is that worst part of the bear market had a direct overlap with the time we were working on the deal and the massive integration of our tech and talent, in addition to Voyager getting publicly listed, so there was a lot we couldn't say until things were complete. Perfect storm, if you will.

Colin Judge
22:16:24

/tip3 ETHOS
I don’t really know how I feel about whitepapers they aren’t in any way binding, clearly, and can be as vague as anything else, so companies can kinda just say whatever they want. I mean, just look at Tron! 😅

However, I do appreciate that they’re kinda a cultural component of Crypto, and maybe that’s not to be undervalued. Perhaps when the time is right (integration of the apps is complete?), an updated whitepaper for the future of Bedrock could be helpful

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:17:40

I’d have to agree. I feel they can make changing course a hesitation. And changing paths to reach destinations is often required.

Colin Judge
22:18:28

I completely agree! I definitely respect Ethos’s choice and integrity in this regard. But that’s does require a degree of faith, and mixing faith with finance isn’t always a good idea 😉

Amateo Ra
22:19:31

For us, it's always Data over faith/speculation/promises. Delivery, execution and implementation backed by core metrics and numbers - not wishful thinking.

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:20:0

Well personally we have seen many crypto companies not pivot from their path during the bear market and they have simply gone under !

Amateo Ra
22:20:26

Evolve or go obsolete.

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:20:28

🙌🏻💪🏼

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:20:37

Totally agree.

Colin Judge
22:21:0

/tip3 ETHOS
That’s how I feel too. Being kept apprised of all things as they happen is my preference. But, having said that, Ethos has long marketed itself based on its vision for the future of finance. And it’s hard to know what that vision is (particularly for newcomers) without a decent, concise outline.

Amateo Ra
22:22:49

IMO Ethos didn't survive through the bear market, it thrived through the bear market - and that will be shown in time across the board.

Colin Judge
22:23:24

Oh, I was never saying Ethos was running on blind faith, but that token holders maybe had to. Because, for legitimate reasons, much of those core metrics and numbers unfortunately can’t be shared with us!

Amateo Ra
22:24:12

Sorry, by no means did I mean to insinuate that. For sure, and that's a big part of investing in very young companies, especially in crypto.

Amateo Ra
22:24:37

Just saying our approach toward this, and how we intend to bring the community into our ethos and being data driven moving forward.

Colin Judge
22:27:32

I appreciate it! And totally feel you on that point about thriving through the bear market. I think Shingo made some difficult, and very worthwhile decisions. People here sometimes complain that Ethos hasn’t kept pace with certain other projects in terms of token price, but I’m just busy looking at all the projects that evaporated, and I’m darned glad to be backing this team :)

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:27:37

Totally agree mate. Do you at all Amateo feel at all like some shouting from the rooftops is now required to almost regain some community attention ? Of course I know the community is still healthy and more and more questions about the future rather than what’s occurred in the past is occurring again. Which is awesome and as a mod it’s nice to see 👍🏻

Cameron 🇬🇧
22:27:59

👍🏻👍🏻

Amateo Ra
22:37:26

That's a great question, Cameron. And you know, I do think that there is some broad and far reaching messaging and communication needed to clarify and unveil our plans, although we're doing quite a bit of that in certain ways. Steve on Pomp Podcast #1 crypto podcast today, news on CoinTelegraph yesterday, strong user numbers showing across our brands and traffic.

Amateo Ra
22:38:3

The truth is though, the megaphone approach in all of our testing doesn't work as well as we would have liked to see it perform in crypto at least in the last several months.

Amateo Ra
22:39:57

PR/megaphone marketing has not been as effective of as we'd like, and we are still determining why that is. I think the community really thinks that if we just tell people about Ethos/Voyager or get it in front of everyone, it will catch on. And on a certain scale that is likely true, say the massive campaign Gemini is doing in NY - but at a certain scale, we need to just be laser focused and targeted in our approach, on ways that generate real users, traffic and brand awareness based on our metrics.

Amateo Ra
22:41:41

And to clarify, we'll still really push on PR - it's a critical vertical, but we have to take a multi-layered marketing approach.

Krishan
22:44:18

Two words.

Krishan
22:45:0

Programmatic. Display.

Amateo Ra
22:45:23

Of course.

Krishan
22:47:27

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Krishan
22:48:33

So bored with this bear market, let it end already so we can have some fun! ⚡️

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23:36:27

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Adnan Fomo
23:38:31

Can someone send me the voyager app link. I want to try it? Wonder if it’s user friendly like robinhood

You can find the official info there.

I was very busy and could not follow what’s going on. Finally I could see AMA, interview with Pomp and Shingo’s detailed article about Ledger and Bedrock. All is great. Thank you guys@Shingolavine@oldmancrypto15. I am convinced that you are trying to make very promising things. Hope you can succeed. The effect is very limited price wise but I dont care about that right now, even I see it as an opportunity for myself. It is very nice to see you on board. I am a late comer here, but very excited about the future of this trinity. Voyager, Ethos and Ledger is like Athos, Porthos and Aramis. I am sure this big community will join them as D’artagnan. Please keep informing the community and doing great things. 👏👏👏

Frank
0:25:3

Does Ethos wallet support any stable coin?