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obviously I'm bullish with CEL

so it makes perfect sense

but if Celsius is able to have interest on CEL, then this is a total no brainer

do you guys know what's the market cap of cel at the moment? i cannot find it on cmc

The incentive it to encourage more use and creat liquidity, I would totally agree with you that selling BTC for CEL just to try and profit from increased interest would not be a good idea for most people

About 23 million

that's really low, which is great news!

I would not be surprised if it's 10 times that very soon

If i were new to cel i would just throw a couple hundred in cel token knowing it would probably catch up with my ratio

Zach
0:28:1

For sure A Lot of potential

If you understood the project sure, but for strictly profit motive just depositing and HODLing to me, makes the most sense for the average user

you know what guys? I think you just changed my mind lol

One at a time 🎉

hehe

BUT!

if you decide to earn in CEL, you then definitely never get compound interest

Dax Taran
0:37:2

Maybe we'll get interest on CEL soon

yes that I hope

let's not forget the tremendous power of compound interest

let's not forget the tremendous power of compound interest

Taking interest in CEL is actually how you compound. Currently, take it sell it, buy your favorite crypto and redeposit it. But odds are you’ll make more just HODLing CEL. AUM is growing like crazy. CEL will grow as BTC grows and as BTC deposits grow. One of the few tokens with forced buying (celsius buys a ton to pay interest) and heavily incentivized holding (for users to get bonus interest and interest on CEL when it’s implemented). That’ll only grow as deposits grow.

thanks for the guidance, guys

this is really a super friendly community

I'm part of another group where people just insult you when you've got another opinion

Dax Taran
0:58:47

🤔

Dax Taran
0:58:58

Doesn't sound like a productive way of building a community

yeah well basically if you say something negative about the product, they tell you you are stupid and other things I cannot even mention here

This group here is just a dream to be honest 🙂

Being nice helps pump out bags! But honestly, Celsius sells itself. Very professional and well thought out. I think it’ll be one of those-why didnt anyone think of this before?-types of examples in the future.

Dax Taran
1:15:26

lol

Dax Taran
1:15:34

Glad to hear it D J

I just switched to Earn in CEL 😄

can someone tell me what's the rate on USDC when you have 5% of CEL?

Dax Taran
1:18:36
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Dax Taran
1:18:47
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Dax Taran
1:18:58
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sweet, you're a star!!!

what's the link?

Dax Taran
1:19:19

Not released yet

Dax Taran
1:19:29

Coming#soon

oh wow

it will be on the official site?

Dax Taran
1:19:57

Maybe, but this is not from the official site

all right

I'll wait for it then 🙂

thanks Dax!

Dax Taran
1:20:15

yw :)

so on 10k, an investment on usdc would look like this:

Ricardo Silva
1:21:21

So, for having just 1 CEL, I'm already getting a 10% bonus?

well it's like at starbucks, the small latte is actually called grande lol

I think my table was misleading, here's the update

I think my table was misleading, here's the update
Lacob Lim
1:27:1

the bonus is in CEL or in same type of coin?

the bonus is on the USDC coin in this example

and now including the value of CEL

and now including the value of CEL

I hope it makes more sense

Scornz
1:40:26

OMG...that's great!. What a great catalyst!

Last update with weekly

Last update with weekly

I'm off, bye for now 🙂

Javier Brugal
1:44:11

Yes

Alex Mashinsky @ Celsius
2:39:33
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Alex Mashinsky @ Celsius
2:39:33

@Nouriel⁩ is right, come to ⁦@CelsiusNetwork⁩ where only profits are socialized.

💪

I thought Roubini was on this app for sec and clicked his name. Or maybe that’s him modeling adidas 🤔

Dax Taran
2:52:0

Hahaha, I saw that that too

Ok what happen after click

Dax Taran
2:52:2

Funny

Dax Taran
2:52:9
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Dax Taran
2:52:19

USDT has arrived

Ryan Guarascia
2:59:27

Soon(tm)

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CyptoFan
3:4:49

Still no CEL to US? seems that Alex always ahead of reality

Coppateez
3:9:6

I’d only buy one if it says Celsius is lit

Ravern Koh
3:10:31

Haha

This is a great chart 👍🏼

💪

Feeling cute, might bail in the banks l8er ;)

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Waseem Shabout
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Robert Aronovici
5:36:18

Did you break him? I feel like he's the sweetest man on the planet that wants to learn, but there are too many placing a bad name in the Blockchain/crypto space! He obviously will listen to your wise wisdom 😎

Pandoraaaaa
7:19:35

Anyone have experience with idex? Any advice on that? Thanks.

Johannes
7:44:30

Check out YouTube on how to use it. It’s pretty easy once you got used to it.

Thanks, Zack 🙂

Hello community,one question: Everybody is talking about how holding cel is a no-brainer,how the aum is growing like crazy,how celsius is buying back cel every week,how much money we can make with 8,1% i am asking you honestly,how is this system gonna be sustainable? This is a true question,no fud.I am not an economist,i don’t know it,but i am searching for answers and try to understand. Thanks!

I believe that the great thing is that the money is not locked

meaning you can remove whenever you want

also, the interest rate can change whenever celsius wants

which I actually LOVE!

I much prefer my rates to go down but the system to continue, than having 10% for life and then the system being unsustainable and crash

so I would imagine that if things go south, meaning that the people no longer borrow money because all the coins crash, then our interest rates would perhaps be only 2% or even less

am I the only one who has this view? I think the flexible rates is a great aspect

It definitely is

ok,i forgot this.the rates would drop.If there is no missmanagement because they want to hold the high rates. And if the rates would drop much lower there would not be any advantage having your money on celsius,because the risk is much higher. so the only thing we have two hope is,that celsius does not missmanagements and really gives just the rates they earn and not in purpose more than they have. i would be happy with lower rates if they were truely the rates they earned..

and buy the way:did you here that the real satoshis is gonna unveal himself today? this would shake up the whole community...i think it would be bad for the price...read ccn

How is the risk higher on celsius ? I guess the risk in the same as having your crypto sitting on coinbase

well you remember the huge mess of the subprimes, a decade ago

these poor people were locked with interest rates that would go up

and had no choice but to pay more and suddenly were way over their head and the all thing collapsed

here, I don't see such a thing, because of the flexibility of the system, but I think I should actually analyze the viewpoint of the borrower, I haven't done that yet

in case some are interested, I simplified my table and added the weekly interest and made the table much cleaner:

your crypto yes,not usdc. if you convert money from your savings in usdc (as alex is saying this for example) to earn fair interest in your savings,than the risk is of course higher than on the bank (depending on your country). Alex likes to say,the risk is lower,cause they have collateral,but this is not really true,because for example in europe your capital is save until 100k even if the bank collapses. That’s what i meant.

In Europe you have 100k secured if you have it in your account. If you have your money invested somewhere forget about the 100k secured.

Moloko
9:5:47

Yes that’s true but don’t mix the things...if you have invested in financial instruments issued by the bank (let’s say a bond) and the bank goes into bankruptcy you’ll probably loose your money (and that’s depends on the classification of the bond itself...if the bond is a subordinated etc) while if you have another financial instrument not issued by the bank (let’ say an ETF issued by BlackRock) even if the bank fails you can redeem your moneys because the juridical person are different

that is obvious.I talked about savings.not about invested money. having money in btc is invested and as i wrote,it is fine to have it on celsius. converting savings into usdc,is like having savings on the bank.and this is more secure in a bank in europe...

Anyone tried our whalelend ?

Out*

True

Yes!!! “Soon” 🎊🎉

Teutonium
9:57:35

How do you think they secure those 100k?

Teutonium
9:58:7

Tax-payers/inflationprobably...

Teutonium
9:59:4

PS: I'm not sure, but it's probably what happens, never looked into it much... it's not like they have 100k for each bank account in the world 😆

Of course Banks lend money to earn interest but you are mixing things/concepts

Teutonium
10:2:26

No... I'm saying that if the whole bank industry goes bankrupt how will they secure those 100k? It must come from somewhere...

Frode
10:3:20

Are they offering same service as coinlene?

That 100k guarantee is not issued by banks, at least in Spain. It's guaranteed at state level

Teutonium
10:5:49

It's at a European level

Teutonium
10:6:4

It's mandatory in Europe if im not mistaken

Teutonium
10:6:12

It seems the banks have a deposit insurance that they created, where they put money from time to time to insure those deposits...

Frode
10:6:59

In Norway the banks have 2million NOK as insurance

Teutonium
10:7:4

So they are just hoarding cash in case they screw up the system... most of that deposit came out of depositors pockets 😆

Teutonium
10:7:22

200k euros,

Teutonium
10:7:38

The minimum is 100k, they can go as high as they can

Teutonium
10:7:48

And since Norway is rich it makes sense to go for more

Frode
10:8:46

Yep

Teutonium
10:10:19

Meanwhile Spain and Portugal go for the normal 100k 😆 If it was up to my government the deposits would be insured for negative 100k...

When Celsius can offer something similar, they will get enormous! I feel this is the biggest reason why I cannot get friends/family to use Celsius

Teutonium
10:11:18

Celsius offers something similar.... a 100M insurance on each account of Bitgo and they have multiple accounts

Teutonium
10:11:31

wallet*

Still it is difficult to convince people.

so I shouldn't invest more than 100M then? 😛

How much is insured per Celsius customer?

Teutonium
10:15:35

100M per Bitgo wallet, they have multiple wallets... so who knows 😆

Teutonium
10:16:12

This channel has 10.549 users

Hehe yep. As long as I don't have better answers to give to friends/family, they will not trust Celsius with their money

Teutonium
10:17:17

Each wallet covers basically 1000 users in the same amounts the European banks cover (100k euros)... if Celsius has 10 wallets it basically has this whole telegram group insured 😆

Maybe 😊 But this kind of information should be more clarified to attract more people, in my opinion 😊

Teutonium
10:18:35

But I'm not sure of these numbers...

Teutonium
10:18:51

Or of this information

Moloko
10:28:8

It’s a fund that has been created at the end of 1900 and currently regulated by bank of Italy to ensure a 100k insurance on banking accounts

Moloko
10:28:56

Additional insurance on capital ratio to avoid systematic failures are also required by Basilea III and related regulations

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Athanasios K.
11:55:45

No insurance at Celsius customer Level. This is just per Bitgo account

i don’t care,but they are secured and i don’t loose them...

Athanasios K.
12:1:28

This is far from saying that ALL deposits are insured at EACH customer level...

Dax Taran
12:2:17

They are not

Athanasios K.
12:2:44

Exactly my point

Banks have FDIC insurance per account in the US of 250k per person. This is necessary because banks fractional lend. They only keep 10% of their deposits and borrow 90% from the government. And to get a loan from the bank you only need to deposit 0-30% or so. So if the economy crashes and people can’t pay back their loans, people get worried about the banks ability to pay back depositors so they all try to withdraw their cash. And if everyone withdraws their deposits, ALL the banks fail and the economy collapses. That’s why the US instituted FDIC insurance after the Great Depression

My understanding is that at Celsius, All theses risks that led to needing FDIC insurance are largely removed. They have zero fractional lending. They do not take your deposits and use them to borrow more from the government. Every loan is over collateralized. You request a loan you need to put down 100%+ in collateral vs the banks at 0-30%. If you can’t repay your loan. They sell your collateral. At banks, theyd have to go through the legal system and get the collateral like your house or business. Takes enormous amount of time. At Celsius it’s instant. They sell your crypto. If people pull their deposits, there’s always enough to pay out. If the market crashes, Celsius sells the collateral to make sure loans are covered.

In some countries, depositor insurance is worthless. Ask people in Argentina and Venezuela. Their deposits were inflated to worthlessness.

FDIC insurance also isn’t limitless. It’s a fund and the banks pay a premium (fee). If everyone pulled their deposits simultaneously, the whole system would collapse and there wouldn’t be enough to cover it all.

But I get the concern. You don’t have to put everything in Celsius. Do a small amount. Sounds like your friends and family members are financially responsible. I like an idea I’ve heard (will give him credit if he wants) about a Celsius credit card. I think this would attract a ton of people like your family members. People would be able to use it anywhere and it uses your deposits as collateral. This would enable super low rates of like around 5% compared to regular credit cards that charge 25%. And you could get a cash back reward in CEL. People like me pay off my credit card bill every month. So it’d be nice to have this in case i accidentally forget or am down on cash and don’t get screwed for one less than 100% payment and on top of it I get some sweet CEL cash back rewards. I think this would attract a ton of more conservative users, who’d just use it for this sort of purpose.

Also, i view keeping assets at Celsius more like keeping stock at a stock broker. Let’s say fidelity. Anyone that owns stock keeps it somewhere else. Stock is not insured anywhere that I know and these companies go and lend it out just like Celsius is doing. Alex has said fidelity makes 30% on your stocks doing this. Celsius deploys the same strategies but give 80% of that back to the community whereas fidelity keeps 100%.

Jeronimo | WILL PM FOR BCC
12:54:18

I don't think you are correct on the 10-90% of deposits rule. Banks are collecting deposits (which are actually not deposits in legal terms, it's like bonds taken from the customer that the bank need to pay back, so depositor is actually a loan provider of the bank and they own the bank owns the money as theirs), and based on the amount of deposits, they are able to create money or give loans to people asking for them. Those created out of thin air money are still limited to a ratio where the total loans can get up to 90% of the sum of all deposits + loans. You are also wrong that banks borrow money from the government to create loans. At no point a bank loans money from the government or any centralized institution to give you loans. They are the creators of money in the system as long as they follow the loose rules.

NebuLEN
12:56:11

Correct. Central Banks > The Fed. The Rothschild's run the show

NebuLEN
12:56:25

Well the network anyway

Jeronimo | WILL PM FOR BCC
12:57:38

Central Banks and the fed do not create money. It's the normal banks that do at the moment when someone goes for a loan. First time I heard this when i was in school I got paralyzed, lol

Got it

ryanwd
12:59:37

Igiwsgougiwisl

René Bijloo
13:0:10

The fact is the banks create money out of thin air for you. But if you do not pay, they come for you and can take your home. So banks get real things by lending nothing.

Jeronimo | WILL PM FOR BCC
13:0:54

Werner is quite cool in explaining in easy terms the whole concept for the ones that didn't care to study financial bs.

Jeronimo | WILL PM FOR BCC
13:1:37

that's just one of the parts that are so so wrong with the system, but it kinda works and we have nothing better, so... learn your ways around it :)

René Bijloo
13:2:2

👍

Pandoraaaaa
14:2:0

What does AUM mean?

This just seems crazy👇

Pandoraaaaa
14:3:41

Thanks I will look. I was wondering more about the order book - does it make sense to try for a lower price...

Thomas Rhys
14:6:59

Assets under management

Johannes
14:8:7

Assets under Management

Johannes
14:8:22

😅👍

Johannes
14:9:31

That’s up to you ;)

Pandoraaaaa
14:15:31

Oh of course, thanks! :)

le dentiste
15:22:35

what's about that now?

Great question. What makes this sustainable is that Celsius pays its depositors 80% of what it earns. Period. So if it’s earnings are low we get less interest, if they earn more, higher. By owning CEL you are getting a larger piece of that 80% distribution than you otherwise would.

Alex Mashinsky @ Celsius
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Dave L
15:44:4

🚀🚀🚀🚀 Price Update 🚀🚀🚀🚀

🚀🚀🚀🚀 Price Update 🚀🚀🚀🚀

what site is that?

Dave L
15:45:6

livecoinwatch

I always use Coinpaprika! Cel is #233 in market cap ranking

Pervy Sage
16:19:20

I feel like there is such a HUGE opportunity right now with the price of cel being so low. It’s only a matter of time before we reach back to ico prices. I hope US holders can earn in CEL next week. Fingers crossed 🤞🏽🤞🏽🤞🏽

le dentiste
16:43:37

we already know that 🤔 we need to know when we can buy cel directly in celsius wallet or things like that

Tomorrow I receive my first interest from Celsius :)) Someone can explain on very simple terms why I should receive all my interest in cel ?

Thomas Rhys
16:51:49

If you want to build your cel balance so that you can earn higher rates of interest, or simply that you speculate on the price of cel increasing in the future

Ricardo Silva
16:56:50

That's an individual choice.

Ricardo Silva
16:57:40

"Should" is a strong word. No one is telling you should do that.

If > 10% of your total deposits are in CEL then you get 30% bonus interest that is paid in CEL. While the price of CEL fluctuates, it rarely (if ever) (someone should check on this) drops 30% over the following week. I’d bet 99% of the time you’d be ahead by taking CEL. (This would be a good stat for Celsius to research).

Plus CEL growth prospects and use case are strong so it’s price should rise over time

le dentiste
17:5:37

The more holders take interest on Cel tokens and keep them, the more buy pressure will be on the market and the more Cel token's price will go up

DirtPupFC
17:20:52

I asked support about this today, and they said hopefully (no guarantee, of course) within two weeks. "Our devoted team is working hard on obtaining all the necessary licenses so we can again provide to our US users to earn interest in CEL."